What does religion have to do with it? (Sgt. DiPietro said his request was kicked back down to him from the battalion level because it hadnt been formatted correctly. Weve been receiving requests for religions beard accommodations for soldiers serving in the Armed Forces. Within two days of the Army's rollout of new hair and grooming standards primarily for female soldiers, a petition calling for the service to allow male soldiers to grow beards has gotten more . THEN ENJOY YOUR GAY BUDDIES AND DIE TOGETHER YOUR ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THEY LET GAYS BACK IN THE SERVICE. I so look forward to the day human soldiers are obsolete and we use weapons like those in sci fi films such as the iconic terminator. The document was originally issued in 2009 and updated this month. There is no more pride of country, Reimplementing the draft is long overdue. You want to practice your religion fine but you should receive no consideration in the workplace. For decades, U.S. military leaders have prohibited service members from growing beards, arguing that facial hair not only disrupts a clean, professional appearance, but also interferes with the. It is something new and authorized, and you will always encounter people who do not like change. While we cannot speak to the specifics of any particular case, religious accommodation can be disapproved if it is determined that the request is not based on a sincerely held religious belief or if the accommodation would create a specific hazard that cannot be reasonably mitigated.. Exactly what i was going to post. Im now 64 and if they called me back today, I would go as long as there were real commanders in charge and not one of these WOKE Generals on TV. Not to mention the Mexican drug cartel armies. We served with fellow service members we KNEW were gay, but as long as they maintained proper military bearing and did their jobs NO ONE CARED. He spent months working on his formal request, knowing that the Army would look for any reason at all to deny the request. Unlike the ADA religion is a choice. I guess AFR 35-10 is now ancient history!!!!! I took care of him at home. I THOUGHT IT DIDNT MATTER!!!! Caste discrimination laws remain fraught. Petty Officer 2nd Class Mohammed Shoyeb previously requested and was denied a religious exemption, a situation his lawyer describes as particularly frustrating given that three sailors on his vessel had been granted medical exemptions from shaving due to razor burn. As a veteran of the Nam era, its long past due time for a new hair and whiskers codes.. If I read the above article correctly, the issue is not about the color of one's skin but the religious affliation of that solideryou seem to believe there are no black christiansIf one religious group does'nt have to shave to honor their god (Muslims) than nobody should have to. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Facial hair did not make or break the military and never will. Your not going to let a fellow firefighter die in a burning building because he tried to use his mask with a beard and it failed. If prescribed medications are needed to alleviate that problem, then it SHOULD be included as a DISABILITY percentage, and freely given at discharge or retirement, PERIOD! All Rights Reserved. If you spouse was a 100% disabled Veteran and past away then the surviving spouse should get half of his disability plus medical coverage under ChampVA. Accordingly, we are now considering our final options before litigation, said Graham West, the communications director of the Sikh Coalition. After that women wanting to wear dresses instead of the standard uniform. Staff Sgt. In 2018, The United States military updated its restrictions to accommodate soldiers who follow religious doctrinal guidelines on dress and grooming. Leandros Katsareas, a Petty Officer 3rd Class, was granted an exemption last year to wear a four-inch beard but was informed this year the exemption could be revoked. Qat one point became the evening shift supervisor at the U OF I MED CENTER WITH 13ICU UNITS TO LOOK AFTER. AMERICA IS NOW WEAK, LAUGHED AT, AND EVERYONE WANTS TO TRY THEIR LUCK AT THE FENCE OF ALL REAL AMERICANS. I agree that they are allowed to have a beard, and by the way Nazarite Christians or Nazarite Jews, don't get me wrong, they can certainly be Christians and want to practice the Nazarite Jewish system? RELATED: Dont confuse military action with the mission of God. After Vietnam when I started flying jets the beard had to go, but I NEVER met the one stripe down from your nose standard for my mustache as I was always out of regs. That killed the live and chiggers, Angel. The Open Halls Project, an advocacy group for heathens serving in the military, sought to clarify any existing confusion in a 2017 post about beard exemptions. Why should they thats not a life threatening that is a personal choice what do the rest of us get some of us that deserves disability from service but cant get it but they can get a sex change operation that wasnt caused by the military. Let's leave pretty faces to women. Meanwhile, the Navy has announced they are lightening the restrictions on beards and will allow retired sailors to sport them while in dress uniform. Abdul Rahman Gaitan became the first Muslim airman to be granted the exemption in observance of the tenets of his faith. I served during the Zumwalt days and had a neat, military-style beard as a Navy Airborne Electronic Warfare Officer. People should stop worrying about others. If you want to improve the moral of the Army & other services, this would be a good start. And still, stranger things have happened, in the Twilight Zone. In 2015, however, the U.S. officially recognized the religion. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. nothing any longer. Beards are largely banned for military servicemen in the United States, inspiring conversations about dress code among religious members whose religions forbid shaving. And so does Amazon! :D. Beards are cool. U.S. News May 19, 2021 / 3:00 AM Sailors sue U.S. Navy for religious exemption to have beards By Pamela Manson Airman 1st Class Harpreetinder Singh Bajwa is the first active-duty airman permitted. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". Do we want pretty boys defending us, or manly looking men. Should the military allow religious soldiers the unique privilege of keeping a beard? At that level, that particular officer will have in-house access to experienced chaplains and Army attorneys to consult on the decision. While Muslims, Sikhs, and even Pagans have received individual exemptions in the past to grow their facial hair, DiPietro is the first known case of a Christian receiving such an exemption in the U.S. Armed Forces. For the first time, the Army will allow a Christian soldier to break their long-standing dress code and grooming standards and grow facial hair while serving. My personal faith is deeply tied to the modern warrior lifestyle that I have been able to live during my military career, said Hopper, adding that the beard has never hindered his ability to put mission first. that is your choice and you should be willing to live with the consequences. We've been receiving requests for religions beard accommodations for soldiers serving in the Armed Forces. Abdul Rahman Gaitan in 2018 became the first Muslim. I seriously doubt they have a Walmart in the middle of the jungle to pick up that lice cream. The sense of special privilege they come to feel based entirely on the might makes right attitude they are indocrinated into makes every one of them, no matter if they see actua combat or not, a mentally damaged threat to actual society and citizens. I see it as a phase very similar to when the Army authorized the wear of black socks during the fitness test. A whip on their backs when they forget their place in society, and clear 0 tolerance for them speaking a word or raising a hand against an actual citizen ever in their life even when they are old and grey and kept contained in "homes" to more easily dispose of them when their use has ended.These would do much to improve our military as we need to stop glorifying them and start putting them at the bottom rung of society as the lowest of the low. Equal opportunity training must also be done face to face, but now yearly as opposed to quarterly. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: U.S. Army to Allow Christian Soldier to Grow Beard, Dylan Mulvaney: God Didn't Make a Mistake With Me. I'm a retired Army female. If you have a problem with that, then move to a country, where you can have better benefits and freedom. in highschool, my grandmother made me take a bath with Clorox in the water. The policy had a disproportionate impact on African American service members. Too many other people at risk for a religious belief or a fashion statement. Really? As long as it doesn't endanger anyone but themselves go for it. Enjoyed your very 'insiteful' post. RETIRED CMC USNAVY! So they either accept the fact that hair buns and beards (with a religious exemption) can be worn but they will not be deployed and if you cant be deployed then you are of no use to the Military and out you go. At first, he removed his turban and shaved his facial hair knowing that he wouldnt be able to get away with them until he was officially granted approval. I just felt utterly compelled that this is what I was being called to do., By VA Has Announced Big Changes for Veterans, Will Overhaul Disability Evaluations, House Passed Major Veteran Bill That Would Automatically Enroll Veterans in VA Health Care, Do Not Sell My Personal Information for California Residents. Those who claim a medical exemption for razor bumps must now shave periodically to prove they still suffer from the condition, which can in some instances lead to permanent scars. It was a painful process, but it was less painful than I thought it was going to be, so thats nice, he recalled. Once I present my memorandum for record and cite all of the applicable regulations and directives, the focus on the beard tends to go away, for the most part, he said in the release. This authorization was a huge step for future military men with religious beards in the military and specifically those practicing Norse Paganism. Hair buns? I, too, had broken service. The lieutenant would be allowed to wear a beard and turban whenever he wanted, as long as it was not while he was deployed, serving in a combat unit that might deploy, or performing ceremonial . It won't take up much room in their fifty pound backpacks. You may see someone promoted who cannot do their existing job and may not even be able to read or write coherently. like not being able to see or even fit a gas mask or other military required eqiptment? But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. both of which inspire unit confidence and morale. Chaplains cannot officially approve or deny requests, but recommendations based on perceived sincerity can be made on the service members behalf. Well I can tell you this I hope with great hope that you decide to grow up and get educated and expand that lump 3 feet above your ass and use it for more then a hat rack. You must appeal that decision. He is retired, already done his time, he earned the right to his uniform. However, the rest of my hippie hair is long enough to comb over my bald head, and I could hold it down with a bandana. Studies have shown that as much as 60% of African American men suffer from pseudofolliculitis barbae. So DiPietro threw himself into research, reading and re-reading every applicable Army regulation before he submitted his request. Thank GOD I had commanders with your spirit and laser focus to win, no matter what task given. Hopefully, someday, we will see the acceptance of beards in the military. In 2018, as a response to the Department of the Army's 2017 ruling to allow the growth of beards in accordance with religious traditions as an exception to Army Regulation 670-1, a soldier assigned to the 795th Military Police Battalion was given authorization to grow a beard in observance of his heathen faith. Appeal! Once you join the military, you no longer for work God, you work for the US governmentbesides, dousn't the bible tell you to follow giverment laws?? Clean shaven men can think they look manly all they want, but that doesn't make it so. The military has granted a few troops the ability to keep their facial hair in accordance with their religious beliefs. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. WHY DO YOU THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN ALL THOSE PEOPLE! Almost two years after making his first request for a religious accommodation to grow his hair and beard out while in uniform, an Army sergeant has officially receivedthe green light. Some pagans might choose to grow a beard in order to express their religious identity or beliefs. They are required to keep it neatly tied in a hairnet or keep it trimmed. Women service members should have had relaxed hair styles long ago. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. for many years. We acknowledge that there are pro-fascist Norse Heathenry groups that promote religious creeds requiring a beard. We should make those sadistic Kings and presidents who declare war be the ones who fight them. Now they both work at a hospital at a USAF base in this country, him as a civilian, since he's retired. The soldiers brigade-level commander will approve a request for a religious accommodation unless the commander determines the request is not based on a sincerely held religious belief, or identifies a specific, concrete hazard that is not specifically addressed in this directive and that cannot be mitigated by reasonable measures, Secretary of the Army Eric Fanning said at the time. While the Navy has granted religious exemptions in the past, they have not always held. The Military has already told Sikhs this and they have already told orthodox jews this and they have even told Rastafarians the same thing. I noticed that by praying, I found strength, he explained. It's very distracting and uncomfortable. Non-Sikh personnel are allowed to grow whiskers and mustaches, with the only regulation being that they "will be of moderate length". Sgt. Amy Minckler made the comment that as long as it doesn't endanger anyone but themselves, they should be allowed to have facial hair. Now if he is a rear echelon desk jockey then that might be a different matter. The Air Force has granted several airmen permission to wear beards, turbans and the hijab for religious reasons in recent years. I could agree and disagree on this response. I had to wear a adoft Hitler mustache for 22 yrs, which looked like crap! Maybe they don't meet minimum standards for protection. The in the early 1980s that all went away.. then in the the mid 1990s gang tattoos, face and hand tattoos kept people out. I guess it wouldn't be impossible. The Air Forces new grooming policies come shortly after last years updates to approved female hairstyles. Now, two years after filing that formal request, hes finally been approved. Religious beards in the military were allowed in 2017, but the process to be granted that right takes a bit of time. If so, should the military allow all soldiers to keep beards, regardless of religious affiliation? I loathe nothing more then self sold slaves acting as if that action should entitle them to some greater status in society. What I do find completely offensive is that this soldiers defense of growing a beard is to claim taking a vow before God and providing no evidence that they are fulfilling all the requirements of that vow. The only bigot is you!!! Check out your local wounded warriors. As for women, hair hanging down, braids, any thought to the safety hazards that is going to cost? The answer might be, allowed if Soldier 'pays' for a new type of 'secure' over gas mask for people with beards (who knows what the future will bring). All rights reserved. However, they are specifically required to "dress up their hair and beard properly". https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/01/05/new-army-policy-oks-soldiers-to-wear-hijabs-turbans-and-religious-beards/, Copyright 2019 document.write(new Date().getFullYear()); Forn Sidr of America | All Rights Reserved |Privacy Policy, Religious Beard Accommodations in the US Military, Call to Action: Protect Religious Freedom, Official Statement Re: Trademark challenge of Forn Sidr for commercial use, Q & A Interview with Gudellri Alexandra Ravenscroft, Official Statement: Reproductive Rights and Roe v Wade. If men weren't supposed to have beards we wouldn't be able to grow them. There is no religious requirement for beards in Heathenry, the post read. I told my husband before I am taking care of you .Who will take care of me? (Photo via Sgt. "Hey, sorry man. . I served and flew with female Naval Aviators who were outstanding aviators and officers, but they were a definite exception just as ALL Naval Aviators were definite exceptions. That was in June 2020. The Pentagon announced Wednesday that beards, turbans, religious body art and other previously off-limits manifestations of spiritual devotion can now be allowed throughout the military. It does not store any personal data. It is my humble opinion, times change and that does not mean that they develop as bad soldiers, I understand perfectly the regulations of the armed forces but if we compare it the people who ask for that special permit are minorities and it is clear that it is for matters of faith. Religious minorities need not be placed in a position of choosing between their faith and public service. DiPietro, who observes the Nazarite vow from the Old Testament in the Bible, first applied for the religious exemption in November 2019. Many things in the air of a burning building can cause cancer, so breathing that in because you can't or won't shave doesn't make a lot of sense. Wounded in 68. For Di Liscia, a practicing Hasidic Jew who had not shaved for more than two years, it was a choice between his loyalty to the U.S. Navy and his religious faith. GROW THE FUCK UP. Good luck, I have never heard of such foolishness. When he died in June ,10, 2001. Thumbs up to our Chefs, First Shirts and brave young officers for making this happen. Thank you for the compliment and the smile this morning. They ALL target medics, aid workers, journalists, legislators, police, and women. O.K. CHOSE YOUR SIDE, BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO FIGHT FOR ALL YOU ARE ABOUT TO LOSE HERE IN THE FUTURE. 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Us Wiccans did that for many centuries, and it works like a charm. Stand by your decision.. Did cross boarder operations in Cambodia. Every soldier needs to be treated as the slaves of the south a mere two centuries ago. Then again flugo, not everyone in the military is in a combat position. The Bible explains that while someone is observing the Nazarite vow, no razor may be used on their head.. These Cards Might Be Right for You. My best friend is gay and he is one of many I would like to have protecting me in a fox hole when I am asleep. TRENDING: Bad or No Credit? Rank, Time in grade, Time in service and paid for 21 yrs of service It was like I took a LONG vacation.. You said it. I had 33yrs and worked after I was 65 and the place I worked provide health insurance and I could not qualify for TRI-CARE, now i WANT TO RETIRE AND I HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY FOR NOT HAVING PART B. But the ability to grow it out far enough to stop the bumps. Because the 2017 directive is technically applicable to all religions, final judgement is often left to individual leadership to discern authentic exemption request from insincere. For DiPietro, observing the Nazarite vow is a way to show his love of God. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Further blurring the beard waiver criteria is that while Norse paganism encourages the growth of a beard, or skegg, the religion doesnt require it. When I tried to use my Educational benefits, I was DISAPROVED!!!!! What do you think? This makes it especially difficult for men who have a beard keeping with religious traditions and requirements. And I repeat again, I respect the Christians who wish to be Nazarites, regardless of whether they have a beard or not and have been well trained, they will be good soldiers both for the country and for God, all be blessed. I totally agree get him out of office pronto. 'a mink': You're clueless! It helps to have a god on our side, no matter who we work for. In the end he has full retirement short of 20 years active because of that break. Of course that was 27 years ago, in the real Navy. I also wonder about your age a bit (or at least your maturity level) due to the name comment. Change is sometimes difficult for anyone who is kind of set in their ways. Jacob DiPietro, a cargo specialist with the Florida Army Reserves 489th Transportation Company (Seaport Operations), was approved for a religious exemption to the Army hair standards this week. Facial hair regulations wont make or break the military but diversity, inclusion and equity (DIE) will break the military because the next step is promotions based on gender, chosen gender, biological gender, race and perceived racial status (oppressed or oppressor) and not ability, attitude, experience and performance. I dont agree with most of the comments. These new children going into the military today are more than likely being sent right back home. Jacob DiPietro filed an official request to grow a beard, arguing that shaving is against his personal religious beliefs. The new rules permit religious accommodations for beards, but they may not be longer than 2 inches unless rolled or tied up. Dont accept this finding! I got out of the Navy after 4 yrs to go back in the Army. This time the Army declined, but only after Hoskins request made it all the way to the desk of a deputy chief of staff. DiPietro joined Junior ROTC in high school and enlisted into the Army after graduation as a Shower/Laundry and Clothing Repair Specialist. After Canadas recent acceptance of facial hair in the military, it seems only fair that the United States would do the same. For instance the Military Regs do not allow beards or hairbuns for women if there is a chance they can be sent into combat where gas and chemicals can be used.
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